
May Choon Says: Singaporean men, I don’t know why you get such a bad rep sometimes, but you’re really a chivalrous bunch.
A recent survey on singles by the Social Development Service (SDS) has shown that many men are willing to go the extra mile to spoil their women silly. For example, 7 in 10 men say they will carry their loved ones’ handbags and 9 out of 10 say they will open the door for their dates.
There have been differing views towards these survey results. Some say these men are being wimps for pandering to their women. Others say there’s nothing wrong with being gentlemanly and some women expect these little acts of chivalry.
Personally, I’m just glad there are some very nice, well brought up men out there. This is despite previous media reports about Singaporean women preferring to marry foreigners because they think local men “cannot make it”.
What do you think?
Tell Us: Men, do you agree with the SDS survey? Would you go the extra mile for your date? Women, do you think Singaporean men make good dates?
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LETTERS VIA E-MAIL
Singaporean men = chivalrous? Both true and false.
Let us first define the terms “man” and “chivalry”.
What is it meant to be a man in Singapore? He has to be successful in his career with a nice path mapped out by 30. His entire worth is determined by his choice of work and the respect he is given by relatives, friends and other loved ones is leveled at his type of occupation… Or income level. Which ever is greater.
Any deviation from this would either mean he is still too young or considered a has-been.
So just what is chivalry? Is it the western concept of a knight in shining armor? The smooth suave moves of a salsa dancer? The romantic purchase of roses for no apparent reason? A sudden plane ride to France for opera and breakfast the Maldives? No sex of course. Just some healthy interest in a chaste way. What else could it be?
Or maybe asian chivalry should be defined with just one word. Responsibility. Sure. Not all men are responsible. Like not all women are made with chocolates, spice and all things nice.
Women love that mysterious man that is borderline metrosexual but spends less time in the toilet than they do… The strong silent brooding type with sweet honeyed words that wouldn’t surprise you if he tells you he’s actually a super spy in an organisation called the “Impossible Missions Agency”. Women dig men that would puff up their chest and confront the arrogant fellow across the room just for looking at her wrong.
But in the morning after, his roaming heart takes over, and he leaves a short sweet note on the dresser saying something like “ma cherie, (women dig foreign languages… Mainly French..) itz waz a fantastic nightz… But alas, duty callsz. I must return to where oncez i came, and maybez we can meetz againz as we lay in bed thousandsz of milez apart…” the woman would swoon over the note… Hoping that he will stay safe in one of his missions as she pull on her granny panties and get back to her single mundane life…
But responsibility isn’t about all that. Its about worrying over bills and ensuring that the kids get food, clothing, and allowance. Its about having the cash set aside for a rainy day. Its about giving that commitment to take care of the family for the rest of your life… Even if it means swallowing your pride at work, or walking away quietly in a potential confrontation as the safety of your family is paramount to a little loss of face. It is the reason why the head of the house wouldn’t pull over to a man waving for help at the side of a dark expressway in the middle of the night with his wife and kids sleeping in the car, but call the police on his way back home to report someone needing assistance on the highway.
Unchivalrous? Maybe. Responsible? Definately.
Opening doors for the women, or anyone else for that matter isn’t an act of chivalry. It is an act of courtesy. You DO NOT open the door just because you’re dating the girl, but anyone else that is going through the door, rather than risking the door closing on their faces.
Carrying handbags for their dates doesn’t mean the guy is pussy-whipped or chivalrous. But if the bag is genuinely heavy, due to massive textbooks or files or other stuff women carry in their bags, then unless you’re willing to put up with a short-tempered date, carrying their bags would be an act of wisdom.
So let us define the terms carefully before any sort of constructive exchange can take place. Slamming the singaporean men just because he is more concerned about real issues simply puts the problem out of focus. Women would continue to pine for the Johnny Depps looking at their Ah Sengs while their daughters heads are filled with unrealistic expectations.
Are singaporean men chivalrous? It really depends how you define it.
And if you really want to be treated like a lady, then start behaving like one first. It would help put the point across.
Haw Kuo Liang
Madonna’s hit song ‘Take a bow’ featured lyrics like ”Take a bow, the night is over.This masquerade is getting older,Light are low, the curtains down,Theres no one here.Say your lines but do you feel them.Do you mean what you say when theres no one around.Watching you, watching me, one lonely star…” The song almost questions whether people are true to themselves and their loved ones when they can show their innermost personalities. I can’t help but to wonder if men always treat women with chivalry out of their own frame or mind, or is it always an outward show and a mere facade.
We have all heard horror stories about how men turned from gentle giants to obnoxious boors after obtaining their targets. Whether it’s a marriage vow, a night of carnal activities or activities best left unsaid, men can be pretty good at putting up a show as and when necessary.
SDS’s survey may not fully reflect true mentalities, how did SDS target the sampling of people to interview? Naturally during SDS events or activities for newly weds, people will be lovey dovey or idealistic about their other half.Men will clearly be more than happy to be at their best behavior for the moment. A much better indication of men’s chivalry can be obtained if SDS interviews people who have been married for a significant amount of time. There’s a Chinese saying which goes ” Genuine gold can withstand the hottest of fires”. I’ll b more than happy to accept the fact that Singaporean men are chivalrous if the research is done in a subjective and through manner. As it is i can’t help but to stay a cynic.
Personally, i prefer to follow the drift. If the chemistry is right, everything will come about naturally. I wouldn’t go out of the way to please my date because I wouldn’t want to raise their expectations to unrealistic levels and send her thumping down to deep depths when she realize that I’m not her knight in shining armor. At the very least,they can be sure they’re interacting with yours truly. All 175 centimeters worth of me , no pretense included! She has to love me for who i am, nothing more and nothing less.
Peng Tie Lun
Opening doors and carrying handbags. Surely, it takes more than that to make a good date. I believe a good date revolves around a very good meal, maybe a good film, which makes for good discussion during a post film drink and someone who makes stimulating conversation. Not to mention, both parties showing interest by taking the effort to groom.
I am writing from the male perspective of finding a man to hang out with. That itself is a challenge. It’s been years, if ever, that I have gone out for dinner or drinks with a male friend. Other than my fiancee, most of the friends I hang out with happen to be female.
Most men I know are not even willing to pay for a good meal themselves, let alone for a date. On top of that, most of their conversation topics do not stray far from football, and crass jokes. On many occassions, especially during National Service, I’ve been asked numerous times, why I ‘overdress’.
There are many S’porean men out there who make good dates I sure. I know a few of them. Guys I can have proper conversation about films, art and literature with. They are not people I can hang out with whenever I want because all of them are already snapped up. That seems to be the problem for the ladies I guess. All the good ones are either taken, or gay.
Personally, I find a lot of the men here lacking in effort while on dates.I see a lot of them dressed shabbily, walking ahead of their girlfriends, waiting outside stores while their other half shops. There is a long way to go before the male species here can be considered good dates on the whole, unless efforts are taken to improve themselves, instead of constantly whining about how hard it is to find a girlfriend.
Keith Tan
Hi, I was wondering about Postwoman Chang May Choon’s article about how chivalrous Singaporean men are, and how she came to the conclusion that men carrying their date’s handbags, or just simply opening the door for them constitutes “acts of chivalry”?
Chivalry is supposed to be gallant or distinguished acts perpetuated by men not because they’re expected to, but because they want to. To actually say that carrying a handbag or opening a door for a woman constitutes chivalry is demeaning to men worldwide, as I would say those are more likely acts general social etiquette than chivalry.
In Singapore, women expect men to carry out such acts willingly, and thus it became so that over time, men are so-called “programmed” to follow the “code” that was wired into them by society to carry handbags and open doors. And when it’s expected, I wouldn’t call it an act of chivalry as said acts are supposed to be spontaneous, but a form of social etiquette. Thus said, a “want” suddenly becomes a “need”, and men are not obliged to service such selfish “needs”.
To end off this email, I would say that yes, I would carry a handbag or open a door for a girl, but I would never ever consider it an act of chivalry.
Benjamin Ho
They’re both good and bad. In my personal opinion, more bad than good.
I don’t think that Singaporean men make good dates much at all, at least those in my age group. Most Singaporean men in my age group are young and immature, fresh from National Service, and not knowing much about how to treat women or otherwise. Most don’t know the subtle hints that their behaviour shows, often portraying themselves as lazy. Would it honestly hurt a guy to wear a nice shirt when we have a meal at Raffles Hotel, for example? Wouldn’t that show that they are at least a little bit interested in the woman?
I am speaking from personal experience.
In general, Singaporean men tend to look at women as trophy prizes, as something he can show off to his friends sort of like a representation of his pride and ego. Also, men my age seem to be brought up on the idea that the men are the stronghold in a relationship, the kind that says, “Whatever I say, goes. No questions.” They don’t care how they look on a date sometimes. They could be dressed shabbily, but still care a LOT on whether or not their partner is presentable and nice-looking, and wearing make-up.
Of course, a good date doesn’t necessarily mean the guy MUST dress up for the lady. Good conversation and something in common is also important. Who would really want to be talking about the inner workings of the digestive tract of a squirrel while you’re trying to eat? What I’ve discovered about men my age is that once they’re in or out of National Service, that is ALL they talk about. Even if you try to change the subject, in some way or other it goes back to the subject of National Service. What do women know about National Service unless they themselves have been in the service? Also, some men have this habit of thinking they are ALWAYS right, not listening to what the woman has to say, caring not if she has an opinion on the subject at hand or not, sticking to his opinion and beliefs (That of course, could be a personal problem and is not isolated to men alone).
Women in my opinion want a man who can take care of them, and not just use her to show off to his friends as his trophy. It is degrading and can be humiliating sometimes as well. The last thing I need is to be a pet that has to take care of itself. Figuratively speaking.
All good Singaporean men I’ve found, are either attached in one way or other, or gay.
On the OTHER hand, I have seen men who do treat their girlfriends or partners with utmost respect. Though this is rare, I usually only see it happening among much younger or much older couples, or couples that have just started going out with each other.
Sadly, that is all I can say about the good side of dating Singaporean men. In my years of dating Singaporean men, I have never wanted to spend the rest of my life with one. Perhaps this is why “Sarong Party Girls” exist in society.
Perlin Chow
I personally do find most Singaporean guys, may it be Chinese, Indian or Malay do make good dates. However, I am uncertain about the other gender. Please bear in mind you ladies that there is no malicious intent in this, and I am just trying to make a statement for the general public to reflect upon. Chivary so speaks, to open doors, paying for meals, and sending the other half home. Are all these a entitlement? Or a priviledge? I have asked many female friends, and many would agree not at all, its just a priviledge, that statement is only true before they are attached. After that, it just takes a little of twisting, turning and whining and the white flags are up for the guys.
All my friends will pay for the 1st date, however, is it because its only gentlemanly to do so? We do remember that we must treat ladies with due respect and be the gentlemen we are, not forgetting the equality in sexes, so demanded by the ladies. Equality to sexes = guys and girls are treated equal = guys will place themselves in girls position, and girls will do likewise = guys open doors, so should girls = guys foot bills, so should girls, guys send girls home after a date, so should girls (I will never end with this comparison.) I always have this thinking that why only feminism exists, yet there is no maleism? Once we guys treat them equally, i.e. get them to do any guy stuff, may it be carry a bag, or foot the bill, we will always hear the ‘Singaporean guys are not gentlemanly at all’ and blah x3. So where was the equality?
When guys go out on dates, please pray tell, many of you ladies will say they can’t dress well, they can’t carry themselves. Have you all brought a mirror too when you go out with guys? Or shall I live in the fantasy that girls will always dress perfectly and behave perfectly.
For a guy to carry a bag, to me, thats losing a huge chunk of your ego. For those guys who are still blinded, is it because you love the person so you do it? Or the other half is incapable to hold a bag. I wonder, did she buy that gucci or prada bag to match her clothes or to match the bellhop who carries it? Why not we tie the laces that are undone for the ladies, or perhaps try on all the dresses and accessories she intend to buy, at least she knows it will match with herself. Some things guys should do, guys shouldn’t. A thin line I agree, to hold a bag when she is sick or did her nails are some that lie on that grey line. A while to hold that bag, I am fine, provided its not that feminine a bag to throw your entire ego to the depths of the sea. Some may say that by doing that am I not compromising or conflicting the interests of the male ego? Thats where gentlemanly and chivary comes in. To know what is good and bad. We can give in to the female, but not ! till you forget oneself.
Girls expect guys to work hard, have a career, meet her, meet his friends, meet her friends, meet her parents, send her to work, send her off work, talk to her on the phone after sending her, sleep sufficiently and maintain a 24hr day. Hmmm kinda hard. Perhaps guys in their logic has 36 or 48hrs a day. You send her home once, Singaporean girls will say, ‘YOU used to do this, YOU used to do that’, now YOU have changed.’ How much chivary has become.
One often comment that its always guys are the bad ones, stray easily, or have affairs. Have they thought why men behave this way? Its because the Singaporean demand that much from them that they are afraid, and they rather have someone that expects less that they provide for. Yet this girl will just provide the simplier things that guys want in life. Perhaps in life would be easier.
Have you people out there watched the show ‘P.S. I love you’, I would love to rant the whole story to you, however, one sentence caught my ear. ‘Girls have no idea what they want’ And that is true to say the least. Girls are wonderful at organising, however they suck at solving problems. Sometimes looking in the mirror will make the world a better place.
P.S. not intended to stir the wrath of the female society.
Have a light heart.
Folken